Antique Black Forest Madonna Painting and Frame

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I picked up this pretty Madonna miniature and wooden frame at an estate sale this past Summer.  The sale was from a collector of all things Black Forest.  I assumed it was a Black Forest frame.

Even though the collector obviously a collector of all things Black Forest… sometimes people are fooled.  I don’t want to be fooled too!

I need your help in identifying what it is.

One thing I liked about it was how the frame closed.  It reminded me of an altar piece from Europe. Except, this one is only 4″-5″ tall. The picture in the center is porcelain.  I have a difficult time telling it if is hand painted or if the picture is transferred onto the porcelain.  I can see brush strokes though, making me think it is hand painted. The picture is no larger than 2″.

With a search on the internet I found similar pieces…

This one, below, is a Black Forest altarpiece from a church in German, circa 1800s.  It apparently is 14″ tall.

from Ruby Lane

 Below is another similar type I found on eBay. Per the seller, it was sold by Closson’s in Ohio.  Closson’s was a big antique store that opened its doors in 1866.  They stated it was Italian.

Below is another one I found.  It is French and made of metal.  It is from the 1700s.  Not quite the same but similar in style.

from Ruby Lane.

Here is another Black Forest frame.  It is approximately 12″ tall.

from Ruby Lane

Ok.  Can you help me answer these questions?

1. Is this frame Black Forest or is it something else?

2. How old do you think it is?

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